Morning Meeting: Outrage over Ivey

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Good morning, all.

Looks like I’m not alone. Believe me, nothing short of changing our comics page generates this many notes from readers. So if you want to say Jim Ivey has finally eclipsed the standing of Snuffy Smith in this community, well, then I might have trouble arguing with you.

On Sunday, I discussed the joke of a sentence handed down to Jim Ivey, convicted felon, former GOP wunderkind and all-around sleazebag. To be honest, I thought I might stand alone on this one. Ivey, still popular in many circles despite his stealing ways, has friends in relatively high places in this community. In fact, it is directly to those friends I tied his questionably lenient sentence. In a world a frustrations, I wondered if this community could summon up enough outrage for one more injustice.

Well, if you think folks aren’t mad about this Ivey sentence, then you’re fooling yourself.

Nearly 100 notes poured in over the holiday weekend to discuss Ivey more than a week after the sentence was handed down. I guess it has been eating at many of you as it has me. It’s funny, if not totally unexpected, that not a single note I received from outside the legal profession disagreed with my sentiments: Ivey’s connections to the good-old-boy system got him a good deal. While there’s a certain amount of amen chorus that goes into this type of thing, I always hear from the other side of an issue as well. It’s the passionate on both side who take the time to write.

Strangely, the handful of notes I received from inside the legal profession, were split. Half nodded in agreement. Half did everything they could to tear down my thoughts. Ridicule. Misdirection. Emotional appeals. Everything, that is, except make a good counter-argument as to why Ivey deserved the deal he got.

I don’t blame these Members of the Bar, many of whom I call friends, some of whom I call family. No, I understand you don’t want to publicly question a sitting judge who you need to face with your clients on a regular basis. Best stick up for the system, the same one you’re making your money off of, and move on like nothing happened. But to me, and seemingly to you as well, that’s the problem. I think certain folks get defensive when people start understanding the randomness of the system and start asking some serious questions about it. Take this response I got from a colleague:

I read your column today with great interest, particularly once I saw that Lawton Stephens was the judge, and that he was "moved by the testimony of Ivey's friends," in imposing a reduced sentence. It is unfortunate that he wasn't as concerned about too tough a sentence when I wrote him some years ago about someone who had the misfortune to have Judge Stephens try his case.

That would be the “down and out” veteran who was given a long prison sentence for trying to rob a local bank by handing a teller a note saying he had a gun. It was the first offense for the obviously disturbed man, and he was caught close by, almost immediately, as it was obvious he didn't really think he would get away with robbing the bank.

I'm not sure if you remember the case, but it prompted me to write the judge a letter taking him to task for over-reacting to someone who obviously had mental and psychological problems. What I remember most is the nasty response I got from the judge, someone who apparently takes a more liberal view in punishing “white collar crime,” as opposed to “blue collar crime.”

Might be hard to believe, but I hesitate to blame only the judge in this case. As one note accused me, I am not “picking on Judge Stephens” because he didn’t side with the newspaper in our lawsuit against Athens-Clarke County concerning open records in the Jennifer Stone 1992 cold murder case. That’s far from the truth. In fact, I don’t need to pick on Stephens for his ruling there; every court it has been appealed to since has done that for me. Amazing what happens when you get fresh eyes on a case. It now sits with the state Supreme Court. Ah, the lengths this county will go to protect its own, but I digress.

No, like many of you, I enjoy Judge Stephens. He’s a “nice guy” as so many of you said. But you can professionally disagree with nice guys just as easily as you can jerks.

In fact, Stephens’ role was only the final step in an otherwise questionable procession of events that lead up to Ivey’s wrist-slap. The above note, and so many others like it, displays a larger point: The system is taking good care of its own. And people are noticing.

On a case-by-case basis, so many of these things can be laughed off by folks as paranoia or conspiracy theory. But when you shake stories out (and piece them all together), you start getting a portrait of a larger problem with our justice system that is increasingly treating the haves and haves nots far differently. Like I asked in the column, does Ivey get the same deal if he steals $36,000 wearing a hooded sweatshirt instead of a suit and tie? I think we all know the answer.

And it’s not just the usual suspects complaining to me this time. I got notes and calls from elected officials, community leaders and regular business folks – many asking not to be named – offering their brief amens. It’s amazing how many, even some who you might define as being members of that good-old boy club, found this sentence to be an outrage. In order for you to take a bit of the public temperature, here are a couple of notes I pass along (without names) from your friends and neighbors:

Just read your column on James Ivey. Kudos to you. You were dead on 100%. It's a shame we "regular folk" cannot expect the same treatment from jurisprudence. If I stole a Flair pen and got caught, they would re-open Alcatraz for me. I guess that's why I don't steal.

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Excellent column on Jim Ivey. From personal knowledge, he has fleeced many more people than the veteran's fund. Probably everyone he deals with. He regularly bounced checks to employees, delayed funding 401k's, after he took the money, didn't pay employees owed money after they left, and has a massive list of creditors screwed. All the while, he continued to live the good life. While Judge Stephens is a good man and judge, it's obvious that all the Oconee Republicans placed pressure on him. He does need support in Oconne County!

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I have been wondering if anyone else was as shocked and outraged as me over the sentence. You made some important observation but there are many more aspects of this case that are very unusual and need to be examined. Just a few: 1) Why did it take so long to be indicted and then tried? 2) While the commissioners don't elect the judge, they sure have a lot of control over his office. They control his physical office space, staff, schedule to some degree, supplemental salaries, etc. Trying to influence the judge is a huge conflict of interest. But no problem for these guys where there Republican buddy is concerned. 3) During the years between his being caught with his hand in the cookie jar and his trial, and even during and after the trial, to my knowledge, Ivey was never contrite, never apologized, and denied guilt even when the facts clearly showed his culpability. What kind of guy like this gets off with a slap on the wrist? There is nothing about this case that passes the smell test? Makes you think maybe a lot went on behind the scenes of which the public is not aware. Maybe you guys can find out what it is.

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Thanks for writing what a lot of people are already thinking out here concerning the sentencing (or lack thereof) with our homegrown embezzler. For me, this whole escapade was more than a private matter as the county is donating the land for memorial and the county attorney was put in charge of balancing the books before Ivey was charged by the DA--makes you wonder what was going on that we didn't see and creates a situation almost no different than a politician with their hand in the public till.

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Yes, sometimes it’s nice to know you’re not alone on an issue. But more importantly, as is the case with this Ivey sentencing nonsense, it’s comforting to know people are paying attention when the system strays from what is right. Writing me is only the first step. You must let those who allow the system to sway (either in writing or at the ballot box) know your feelings as well. That’s where your feelings have real impact.

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(Originally posted Jan. 22, 2008)

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I suppose how one feels
Submitted by hillarybrown (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 11:07am.
I suppose how one feels about the Ivey sentence depends on one's philosophies about the purpose of prison. Is it simply punitive? Is it intended to isolate rule breakers from the general population? Is it to facilitate rehabilitation? One can agree that there is disparity in sentencing depending on the color of the collar and yet not necessarily believe in more prison time as a solution.

Fair enough. How do you feel
Submitted by Jason Winders on January 22, 2008 - 11:19am.
Fair enough. How do you feel about flogging as an option? Maybe not. . I think the numbers show that we don’t do a very good job of rehabilitation, so what about just keeping him away from the rest of humanity for a few years? How about something where you felt like the guy was getting punished for his crime? Setting up an appointment to check in with the probation officer, wow, he’ll think twice now. And there’s still the larger issue of fairness in the system.

I guess I'd like to see
Submitted by hillarybrown (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 12:11pm.
I guess I'd like to see (scratch that; make it "comprehend"; I see the terms on the ABH site here: http://www.onlineathens.com/multimedia/pdfs/011207_Ivey.pdf) the terms of his probation. Are there people he can't hang out with? Things he can't do? It's at very least a big pain and a mark on his record. This is not quite Enron, you know? It's certainly a big screw up on his part, but restitution and shame seem to me to be the most important things on the agenda. Restitution should be made in full. Shame has been pretty well handled.

Fairness is not my biggest concern, at least not in the sense of "we screwed up royally here, so let's make sure we also screw up royally to the same degree over here in this other case, to make it all fair."

Again, it's a nonviolent offense. It hurt people's trust and a monument, but not anyone's livelihood, that I'm aware of. It was not right. But nonviolent thievery is simply not my biggest concern as far as crimes go.

Why keep him away from
Submitted by sanderlinsghost (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 12:39pm.
Why keep him away from humanity for a few years?

Check out your own legal ads. The run of the mill DUI case gets more community service that ol' Jim. The DUI even pays a much bigger fine. If I read the sentence right, Jim doesn't have to come off the hip with any money except to eventually give back all the money he stole. Now there's a deal -- steal now, pay back at your leisure.

The Veterans Memorial is supposed to be out at Heritage Park, and there's a lot of grass out there that's going to need to be mowed for a long time in the future. Give Jim a push mower and about 1000 hours of community service, and tell him to get with it. Maybe let him clean up after the rodeos too.

Doesn't anyone else see the irony in the "law and order" party taking care of its own, Scooter and Jim.

I wonder what kind of
Submitted by Jason Winders on January 22, 2008 - 1:10pm.
I wonder what kind of interest rate you can get on paying back the money you stole in the first place?

But is their credit any good?
Submitted by sanderlinsghost (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 2:14pm.
You know Jason, you just made me think of something.

You think Mel and Jim the hardware guy have enough love, confidence and respect for Jim the thief to go to the bank and co-sign a signature note so he can just go ahead and pay back the rest of the money he stole?

Bet they won't.

Well thought out Phil except one thing
Submitted by danmatt (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 1:13pm.
The hideously designed black marble Veterans Monument is scheduled to be erected in front of the poorly named Oconee County Community Center, across the street from the Herman C. Michael Park in what was once known as the Eastville area of Oconee County, kind of in between the two public high schools. The cockamamie construction schedule of this park, the shady property exchange for the monument, the alleged naming of the new park and the bedrock found beneath the surface are more evidence to the corruption, ineptitude, poor planning and lack of leadership from the current Board of Commission chairman. Oh and don't forget the person who offered to donate $10,000 if they built the aquatics center first (which is now in Phase II). We might see some water center in there around 2017. Let Ivey swing a very dull pickaxe on that bedrock as a proper karmic sentencing.

Double secret planning and the Pied Piper
Submitted by sanderlinsghost (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 1:50pm.
poor planning and lack of leadership from the current Board of Commission chairman.

Now that's some pretty harsh words there. Mel can plan a secret meeting of the commissioners, and lead them all right out of town without anyone knowing about it.

Now say that ain't the truth.

JW, Found decent bbq
Submitted by JMSnowden (not verified) on January 22, 2008 - 2:20pm.
JW,

Found decent bbq despite lack of swine doing oddly human things on the sign.

Victory never tasted so smokey.

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BBQ?

Jeff:

Where?

hb

I was going to ask the same

I was going to ask the same question ...

Mr. Ivey's faux pas

I'm disappointed that Jim didn't get a heavier dose of Oconee justice, but then, consider the circumstances. "Outstanding" member of the community made a wee judgmental error and we can't hold that against him, now, can we? I like the lawnmowing idea, but really makes it just a bit easy on him. I think he should be issued a county jumpsuit, handed a bag and a stick and should be assinged an indefinite length of time on roadside trash detail on every major road in Oconee County so all of us can see his repentance in action. And, as Forrest Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

Lucky Wings on Baxter. I

Lucky Wings on Baxter. I think it is the old Mike and Ed’s. It’s no Carithers (which had a sauce that cured hangovers) but the q is good, the fries are better and they deliver.

If anyone has good recommendations for bbq spots, please post them. RT and I thought of trying the Hot Thomas in Oconee but when we looked for Hot Thomas on the net to get their number……well……search for yourself.

Yeah, the bbq is

Yeah, the bbq is surprisingly good there, but mostly in a comparative way. As in "I can't believe a wings place has decent bbq." I've had good ribs at Jimmy's, but it apparently varies quite a bit.

Hot Thomas' Barbeque 3753

Hot Thomas' Barbeque
3753 Highway 15
Watkinsville, GA 30677
706-769-6550

Not open Sat., Sun., or Monday.

closes early in the evening.

Yes. I saw that. I also saw

Yes. I saw that. I also saw the urban dictionary entry as to what a Hot Thomas is. So.....there is that whole issue. I would equally weary of going to a hot dog joint called Beaks and Butts.

Also, and I know I’m no alone in thinking so, all good bbq joints must have an image of a pig doing a human activity on the sign. If the pig is dressed as the cook and is standing next to the grill, that is a big plus.

Is this a human

Is this a human activity?

http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/180133376730_1.jpg

Would it count if they were doing it on a grill?